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EP 94: How Delusional Confidence Took My Son from the UK to US Prep School!

• daniella dawkins • Season 3 • Episode 94

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This week’s episode is one of my favourites yet – because I’m joined by my son, Kayden, who’s just secured an opportunity to play basketball in the US at Minnesota Prep School.

We talk about his summer of catching flights (LA, Utah, Vegas, Switzerland), what he learned playing with pros abroad, and the surreal moment when a coach made him an offer.

This conversation goes deeper than basketball. We dive into manifestation, vision boards, and the power of delusional confidence. Kayden shares what it really takes to stand out, how to become a coach’s favourite without faking it, and why hard work will always beat talent when talent doesn’t work hard.

As a mum, I also open up about what it means to support your child’s dreams – being in the stands, believing when things feel impossible, and watching him step into a new chapter.

If you’re chasing a dream (or raising a dreamer), this episode is packed with motivation, honesty, and that Sew Flippin’ Extra energy.

🎧 Listen in and get inspired to stay extra so you don’t have to get extra.

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SPEAKER_00:

I give them a basket. Go on, try and make it. Mm, well you didn't make it. Do you know I'm staying? Do you know I'm staying, Suzanne? Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Snowflip and Extra podcast, a platform for me to express, explore, and connect and be so flipping extra. Why? You don't should know my intros by now. Why? Because that's what brings me joy.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Say it.

SPEAKER_03:

That's what brings the the gang joy.

SPEAKER_00:

So without further ado, let's get into this episode. I feel like this might be my favourite episode for so many reasons. But like stay extra, then go get extra. Stay extra, stay and go, get extra. So I am joined with the one, the only, Kayla Kay. No, I don't like Killer Kay. Kaylen Lee. Kaylen Lee talking to Ellis. Round of applause. Kapan and Magnus. I'm gonna put Kaplan in there. And obviously, we've done an episode not too long ago. And you're back. So do you wanna introduce yourself? Tell them why you're back again, Kay.

SPEAKER_03:

You said introduce myself.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, introduce yourself. Who are ya?

SPEAKER_03:

My name's Kaylene Dawkins Ellis. Son of Jermaine Ellis and Daniela Dawkins.

SPEAKER_00:

Why am I second?

SPEAKER_03:

Son of son of Daniela Dawkins and Jermaine Ellis. That's right. And I was back in the bait. Back in the ants. I wasn't even over here. So I grew up.

SPEAKER_00:

You never grew up here, Caden. I did. He didn't grow up here, his dad grew up in this area. I grew up in the bits. Anyways. And why why are you back? Why have I why have I was I'm back from my trip.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm back from my two trips. I was catching flights, not feelings this year. Back from the trip from America. That went good. Mm-hmm. Then went to Switzerland. Has a couple ups and downs, but it was still good as well.

SPEAKER_00:

So what's happening? What's new? So from having we went you went on the trip, and on the trip you were talking about the trip was if you haven't watched that episode, I'm gonna link it. And basically what Caden was what was happening is he was going on a camp, a basketball camp to the States. They ended up going to three cities, which was LA, three states, I'm three states, LA, Utah, and Vegas.

SPEAKER_03:

And Vegas. And they was training over there. Because like our plate, our first plane landed in New York. So I basically got it.

SPEAKER_00:

You didn't get off the you didn't get off the plane. I did. You didn't come out of the airport. Okay, you were still playing. Okay, alright, yeah, you can claim that one. And so what happened then? So you got come on, you got a patch one to speed. What happened?

SPEAKER_03:

Basically, our first stop was in LA. Um, in LA. It was like it was just like it was more training than anything. Like still played a couple games, got the right exposure, spoke to a couple coaches out there. Yeah. Um, yeah, did my thing. Like, got a couple clips, and then one of the coaches from I forgot his name, but shout him out. Um from the district, yeah, was speaking to him and he What like Lake District? I don't know, but like that's what that's what the courts called. The courts called the district. Um we was there for the majority of our time in LA.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And yeah, played really well. He really liked me. Got his contact information. Scott, I think, I think he was he was like somewhat a part of the reason I am where I am now. Um and yeah, LA was good, a lot of training. Utah, Utah was more. I think we only trained in Utah. I don't think we played games in Utah.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Utah was preparation for Vegas, which was obviously the big, like, the big thing. When we were in Vegas, yeah. When Vegas, I think our record was lost one game, but run won the rest of them, didn't manage to make finals, obviously, because you have to win every single game. But it was still still good, good competition.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Good to play against um people out there, because that's what I want to play with. And then yeah, it was good. It was good.

SPEAKER_00:

And then so after that, you came back for a week and then you went to Switzerland.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, came back for a week, went back to Switzerland.

SPEAKER_00:

Catching flights, not flee lines, for real.

SPEAKER_03:

Well lala. And then sorry. And then um in Switzerland, Switzerland was good as well. It was um a lot, it was different basketball to obviously America.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

More like fast pace. If you don't work on your shots, don't take them. Uh very like it was like, I don't know, I think I felt like it was a lot faster than I thought it was gonna be. Um, but yeah, I worked out with I was working out with a lot of pros, and I think that was the best thing. In Switzerland? Yeah, just to get me up. Was scrimmaging with pros from League 2 and all of that. Um held my own. I think I I think I have my own very well. And yeah, it was just a lot of training, more or less.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And then, but yeah, it was good. It was good to get out. It was good to find out what basketball was like in different countries before having to pick where you want to play.

SPEAKER_00:

So you got news while you was out in Switzerland. Well, I feel like I'm feeding them because Casey just feels like he's not giving the information for being humble.

SPEAKER_03:

You have to know, you you have to like you have to edge them.

SPEAKER_00:

I have to what?

SPEAKER_03:

Edge them. Edge them again. Okay, and get them there.

SPEAKER_00:

So you got some news while you was out in Switzerland that there was a potential opportunity. There was a few opportunities on the table. Yeah. And one in particular came to fluition. Is that fluition, I don't know, like came to flourish? I g I I think. I don't know. Yeah, but okay, but one came to flourish. One of the opportunities. Yeah. So and is that what that's where we're at now?

SPEAKER_03:

That's where we're at now.

SPEAKER_00:

So you came back from he came back from Switzerland and about a week after coming back, yeah, we got the news.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, about yeah, about a week. Um that about a week ago.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh sorry.

SPEAKER_03:

Benny's growling. And then um, yeah, got the news that one of the coaches was gonna take an opportunity on me. Um, spoke to we obviously spoke What is it? An aunt. Uh uh And then yeah, spoke to one of the coaches, said he was gonna take an opportunity on me. And yeah, got in contact with him, obviously spoke about the school and whatnot, where we were gonna be, what it was gonna be like, um, people that they've got into certain places. Everything, so on and such one.

SPEAKER_00:

So we're gonna tell them where you're going?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Where are you going, Kay? Drum roll, please!

unknown:

Minnesota.

SPEAKER_00:

Minnesota! So I am the mother of a child that is literally in a few days, potentially. I don't think we have a proper date yet.

SPEAKER_03:

No, we're leaving on the 25th.

SPEAKER_00:

You're leaving on the 24th?

SPEAKER_03:

25th.

SPEAKER_00:

No, for real, for real. 25th. No, but when when did that say he's that's what he's booking on? He said that's when he's booking, he's a booking. Yeah, but like leaving on the 25th. He's leaving on the 24th to go to Minnesota Prep School, and then yeah. So that's why I really wanted to have this conversation because obviously the conversation that we had before Caden was leaving to go to the camp was the whole podcast was about delusional confidence, like just just being delusional. So the quote I wrote that, I actually wrote questions for you, Kate. Ew, what is that?

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

That's a um centipede. No, it's a it's a if it goes in your ear, you go deaf, you know. Earwig. Earwig, I swear that's an earwig. Don't get move from my bag. Move from my bag though.

unknown:

It's not moving.

SPEAKER_00:

Sorry guys. Um so I actually write down questions, I wanted to be really prepared for this for this interview because like my favourite interview. Um, did you think it was gonna happen? So, like, obviously, we you spoke about what you wanted to happen when you went on camp and and what you said you wanted to get, you wanted to get an offer. An offer. Did you think it was gonna happen?

SPEAKER_03:

Honestly, yeah. Honestly, because like I feel like, especially being over here and getting an offer is so much harder because you have to like, coaches are very much taking a chance on you. Yeah. Because they haven't they they haven't seen you play in real life. They have to they have to go based off your highlights, and your highlights are only gonna be things that you do good. Yeah. Coaches aren't gonna see the things that you do bad. Like, they're not gonna see the turnovers that you have, or the fact that you may not be able to play defense, or the fact that you can't shoot well. So it's a lot harder over here. But I know that I knew that going over there, all the coaches would be able to see my flaws just as much as the things that I do well.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So I just kind of had to present like the fact that I do everything on a good level. If I can't, if I'm not scoring that day, I play defense. Yeah. If um my defence isn't working, I trail my teammates on the bench, like coaches look at a lot of that stuff. Yeah. So I knew that the way the way I play and the way I carry myself, a coach, a coach would very much like like it. And there was, and I felt like I was right because I felt like the first couple of days, like the first day like I got there and I played properly, I had an offer. Yeah. An offer that was like was that that was on the table. Um, then the second game he played, the coach came up to our coach and was like, yeah, I want him, him, and him. So yeah, it was it was a really good feeling as well. Yeah. Like just to kind of have a coach like just come to you and be like, I really like the way you play.

SPEAKER_00:

Did you like, I'm that guy?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I just kind of held I held it from mum and dad for a little while. Like, I didn't tell them. He didn't, he didn't tell us. I didn't tell them straight away, but then a couple days later I told them like that corporate coaches want to take it off on me. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, were you ever concerned with like competition? So with because obviously there was like what 70 year old kids that went out there, so obviously different ages as well. Yeah, different ages. So any of them that were in your age bracket, were you ever thinking like, oh man, it's him or me?

SPEAKER_03:

At first, at first, yeah. Like the first game you played, everyone played really well. So it was kind of hard to determine like who's gonna be the main strong suit of the team. But yeah, we knew that because everyone did play well and everyone played a role on the team, that if one person wasn't on their stuff that day, that there was gonna be someone to pick up their slack that they wasn't picking up. Yeah. So yeah, like even in the airport, I think it's hard not to like kind of look at someone and have a judgment based on like how they appear to you. Yeah. So like I was definitely more, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was scared. I'm not gonna lie, I was a little scared. I thought I feel like that's me in any set. Like, I always believe I'm the best person anywhere I go. But when you're when you're in competition with a hundred like odd people your age, yeah, and you want to play first team, it's very like, I don't know, it's very, it's very hard. It's hard, it's harsh, it's harsh as well because coaches are only gonna put people on the team that they believe that can actually like yeah, play to that standard and all of that. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. Um, so I wanted to speak to you about your vision board because manifestation is something that's been conversations of ours since you was young. Like, I think you were two, yeah, you were two when I first started reading The Secret, and so from then it's been conversations that I've had. Like, if you want something, you believe it, you go after it, um, arcs, believe, receive, putting positive words out there onto things you want. And I think you was, I feel like because it was during lockdown when you used to be with um WYLA, you've done a vision board, so maybe it was 13 or something. Yeah, 13, 14. 13, 14. So you've done a vision board. Um tell us about your vision board, like what was on there that really you know makes you think, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh it was like I'm pretty sure I was like fully over track at this point.

SPEAKER_00:

So yeah, because he yeah, he used to was track with this thing before.

SPEAKER_03:

Um I was fully over track at this point, and I think you had like a task to do something, I can't remember what it was, but I think it was to make a vision board on what you want to be when you're older or what you want to do. So um obviously on my vision board, I had I had um a lot of things. I had where I wanted to be in life, like at a certain age, what I wanted to do, where I wanted to be. I remember I think um my vision board definitely had to go Oregon, because at the time I really liked um Oregon, Oregon Ducks, go Ducks.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Like I really liked Oregon, and that was a college that I definitely wanted to go to, and that was like the main college on on my um on my vision board. And then I was gonna be a one and done. What does that mean? Like, obviously at college you you're you're eligible for four years, but if you're el if you're good enough, you can do one year and then go to straight to the NBA. So I wanted to be a one and done and then get drafted by the Sacramento Kings, and then have an endorsement deal with um Nike. I was about to say Nike, with Nike or it is Nike, it's actually Nike. With Nike or Adidas. I used to work there. Adidas, Adidas, or um Adidas, and then I think it was to have a like a long span of like good years in the NBA and then be able to like. I'm I'm pretty sure like I had to buy Yulot house, mum and dad house. I'd just be just be set, man.

SPEAKER_00:

Just be set and like during this time, have you ever kind of thought back about hang on a second? I actually put this on my vision board. Like I put, you know, basketball, I made it a thing that yeah, this is my vision is basketball. In in the last couple of months of things happening, have you have you your brain resorted back to that vision board?

SPEAKER_03:

Um, I think maybe once or twice. Like once or twice, definitely. Like, especially in like times where when I got the offer, like I was like, yeah, like it was kind of surreal. Like, I had to kind of tell myself, like, I've really dreamed about this. Yeah. Like this opportunity coming to light, and I just something. Like, obviously, it's not the direct path I wanted to go down, but like it's it's a start. Like, I'm still I'm still I could still be able to go to the college I want to go to, have a good year, all of that, like it's not over. Yeah, but my path is just different. And I always say like everyone's path is different, no one's path is gonna be flipping lilies and roses. So like it's never, it's never guaranteed that you're gonna you're gonna you say that it's gonna go this way and then it's gonna go that way because you don't have control over your career. Yeah. Like you could, you could for all, I could go forbid, but I could get injured now, and then my whole career, what I had planned, I think is over, but I could I could still recover, go to a different college, then still end up making it to the NBA.

SPEAKER_00:

That's right, that's the goal, that's the goal. Mama wants a health. So Caden said he's gonna retire me. Yeah, yeah. No retirement.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm no retirement.

SPEAKER_00:

We didn't ask about everyone. I was talking about me. You and I, you and I.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I'm gonna retire, Mum.

SPEAKER_00:

Lock in. Um, and well that leads me nicely on to the next question, which is what advice would you give to a young person um wanting to play basketball board abroad, boy or girl? Um, what advice could you give? Like for someone who's come like where you are, because you know abroad is in like America or abroad is in Switzerland. Do you know what? Stay abroad because I feel like everyone's most people's goal is.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't feel like anyone dreams to like play basketball in this country. And I wouldn't tell anyone to dream about playing basketball in this country. I feel like basketball in this country is very like it's broad, it's so it's it's kind of whack.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know that.

SPEAKER_03:

But um, yeah, advice-wise, that sounds so cliche, but just like just wait for your time. Like, don't try rush anything. If like if the first offer you get, don't take it because it could, you could, you could just want to get out there and want to get out of this country and then get abroad, and then you're not getting any playing time. Like, coaches have favourites, like all of that. Just wait for your time. Have you been a coach's favourite?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I feel like I'm a very like coach favourite player. I feel like I do a lot of the things that coaches like.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

But yeah, but like, yeah, just wait for your time, like. And if you don't, the offer that you that you want to get, if you don't get it, it's not the end of the, it's not the end of your dream, it's just the end of that plan specifically. So, um, yeah, man, wait for your time, work hard. Like, always the stuff, the stuff like that people don't see. You're meant to work when people aren't up and when people, when people are resting, taking off days, that's when you work. Yeah, don't overwork yourself, don't put too much stress on your body because you're really like you're replaceable. Yeah, like literally, you're replaceable.

SPEAKER_00:

And and I say that with a people, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you. People in just a normal job, you are replaceable. So you have to really look after yourself, like my body and spirit. Like, yeah, someone's ripping your spirit. Is it working?

SPEAKER_03:

Always, always, always be confident, but don't be too full of yourself because like like always, always be like, Yeah, I'm that I'm that guy, I'm that girl. Rare tate, like I'm I'm that, I'm that person, I'm I'm him, I'm her. But don't be too full of yourself to where you think that your talent is just gonna beat someone else's hard work. Because yeah, there's definitely a way.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, hard to do it.

SPEAKER_03:

Always beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that was a bar, K. Come on.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm gonna have to put that on the t-shirt. So, yeah, like always, always work, always work hard.

SPEAKER_00:

And so what something you said also reminded me of another question. How, I mean, what are the tips for being a favourite? Because like we want to kind of be that that one that brings the apples, the apple to the teacher.

SPEAKER_03:

Like, um, like, don't okay, cool. Can I swear? One time, one time.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, go on.

SPEAKER_03:

Don't don't dick cry, like, don't dick's not really a swear, but okay. Don't don't dick cry, like, don't bum lick, like, because as much as coaches love it, like, some coaches find it mad annoying for someone to just be in their business all the time.

SPEAKER_00:

And that could actually make them like find you irritating.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, like always do the extra stuff, but don't do the extra stuff to be seen. Do it because you want to do it. Yeah, like always, in in basketball specifically, um, always play defense. Like, if you can, if you can play with the coaches out there telling me, if you can play defense, you'll play somewhere. Like, everyone needs to defend. Basketball's one of those, it's not boxing, like with boxing, you can't just play defense and expect to win a match. But with basketball, if you can stop the other team from scoring, yeah, you're only ever gonna win. So if you if you can play defence, you you have a spot on any team, like realistically. What's your what's your position? I play point guard, but like um, I feel like I'm more of a point guard scorer rather than a point guard passer, but I have to adapt myself because I'm I'm a short guard in comparison to the NBA.

SPEAKER_00:

He's short, but he's tall, which is so weird because growing up, he was like the biggest kid, all the time the biggest kid. And then it's only when you started playing basketball when I'd go to your games and I'd see all these kids bigger than you, and I was like, brother, I thought you were tall, like you're a little man.

SPEAKER_03:

When I play basketball, like I'm actually not tall at all. Like I'm actually very undersized.

SPEAKER_00:

What are you like 6'1?

SPEAKER_03:

6'1. I actually think I'm getting taller when I was sleeping. My feet were coming out of the cover.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03:

So I think I'm getting taller. Well are didn't you?

SPEAKER_00:

Um so another question that I think is really important. We we we you and I had this conversation earlier. How important is family support when you are following your dreams? Because yeah, I was saying about I feel like I mean actually no, I'll let you say how yeah, how very, very, very important.

SPEAKER_03:

Because like there's always, I can speak for myself, like, there's always gonna be times where you are your lowest, like low wist, like really like contemplating like what you should do now. And the only people that you you have to surround yourself with is family. Like, you can't around when you're with family, I feel like it's impossible to kind of gatekeep yourself and like hide yourself from the world. Like, yeah. At the end of the day, you're not you're not gonna live on the street, you're living under someone's roof, you're always gonna be in someone's presence. Like and energy is very like energy itself is very like what's the word I'm looking for, like interchangeable, interchangeable, like it's very, you can contract energy from people, like you can you can gain energy from people very easily. People will always be able to see it's infectious, yeah, yeah, infectious, that's it. It's like people always pick up your energy, negative or positive. So I feel like very is very important. You always need the people around you to like tell you to keep pushing because you're you yourself telling you to keep pushing and other people telling you to keep pushing is two different things. Like you always feel like your family's always just gonna tell you like that you're really good at this just strictly because they're your family.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

But like, some people like people really mean it. If they if they know that you're special in that aspect and that they can see that you really have um you can really do something with the prof like profession that you're in, then no one's just gonna tell you like people will keep it above you. If you can't draw, you can't draw in it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Over the last few years of you playing basketball, there's a lot of times where I feel like I might be sometimes one of the only parents at the game. And sometimes I would be like, am I just extra? Am I just doing too much? Because I just want to see you play. Like I used to get even when you was running track, I was so excited. I just it's like that adrenaline for me, and I just like I felt really proud. And so, how with for you, how does that feel to have like someone just having or people? Because I like yeah, because you I know you you get off on having your family, like having people watching.

SPEAKER_03:

I feel like I feel like especially in basketball, I feel like I'm an entertainer, so having people at the game that I can entertain is uh I've I don't know, it's very it's very detrimental for me.

SPEAKER_00:

Like, yeah, because you feel like you play better when they're that yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

When when when there's a crowd watching, I feel like I play ten times better.

SPEAKER_00:

So when it when it has been games where like I might just be the only parent there, especially mums, I feel like there's a lot of basketball dads, but there maybe some there wasn't many mums. How does that how do you actually feel?

SPEAKER_03:

It feels good, it feels good to have like a s just good just good to know that like you have a support system behind you, like just to know that you have someone there to watch you because it's hard like going through a sport and then feeling like you're alone. Like it's really hard like to invite people to your games and they don't turn up, like it's really harsh. Like it can really mess up like an athlete's mental as well. So just having a support system there, having people there that you know that will like be there for you regardless if you ask or not, is just I don't know, it feels really good, it does.

SPEAKER_00:

I can imagine because I I can go by even when I have done events and stuff, and you're just kind of at the event, and just like and it's like just even having that one person just to be there with you. Um it's just yeah, it's cool, it's nice. So I'm I well I'm honestly like I it's been my pleasure to just come and watch you play games and support you because I've I've thought you was amazing from Yaday. Do you know what I'm saying? So yeah, man. And so like to be on this whole journey with you, and now we're here, a few days away from you actually leaving.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, taking off, man.

SPEAKER_00:

Taking off with and with the intention of like coming back but not coming back. Coming back but not coming back, coming back to visit. That's the intention. You're coming back to visit, you're not coming back to to reside and live in North Wheezy for Sheesy, you see me?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, feet are burning hot, man. Especially really hot today.

SPEAKER_00:

It is really hot, 25 degrees. It feels like it could be more than 25 degrees. I'm not sweating from just sitting now like I was actually I was actually like we had a we had a mid break because the camera died. The camera we're actually recording on died, so this is gonna look a little bit different. And so we had a break, and now I'm recording on my phone just to finish off this episode. So, um, one thing we spoke about last time, Kay, was like brand deals. So I remember reading um watching, listening to a podcast during lockdown, and I can't remember if I spoke about this in the last episode, but there are some places that will take you because you're popular and you're famous and people like you. So social media is such an important role that I've been obviously I've been having this. I feel like I've been going on and on and on to Cadence about this for years since lockdown. So for the last five years, I've really been hamming in to you how important brand deals are and social media, just having a social media presence because if you're popular, they will they will scout you, go on your social media. Obviously, you're doing positive things, um, and they'll take you just for those reasons there. So, what does going forward what does that look like?

SPEAKER_03:

Consists of more posts on Instagram, yeah. Just Instagram or both? Would you do both platforms? I would do TikTok as well, but TikTok's more like I don't know, it's just not as serious. Like I feel like when I look at Instagram, when I look at Instagram, I feel like it's more serious. Yeah, so yeah, definitely try more on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00:

And really, like I keep saying, anything you have, like you get a new pair of shoes, you take them out of the box, take a picture of them, the pick a picture of the ball with the shoe, a picture of what basketball you're using. There are brands that will be like this kid keeps um tagging us in his what's the ball, William Wilson Wilson ball. Do you know Wilson's gonna start sending you balls? And then, like, not even then, they might even you you get to have an option to say, actually, nah, like I have a fee, like this is my fee. Like, I will do it, I will do that content for you because I'm amazing, and yeah, I can make it look good. So it's really it really is at this point just about everything, and I know I I've said it for years, I'm gonna keep saying it, and I'm gonna keep saying it also because I need to know it for myself. Like, I get companies that send me stuff, I get paid collaborations, but I get free shit. Listen, just and for anyone, even just this listening to this, um, for anything else, like tag your shit because there are people out there that want to pay you just to promote, and they want to hear real voices as well using their stuff. It's all well and good getting an influencer, but if the influencers getting paid, sometimes it's sometimes it can be fake. Um, so if you if you are someone out there that does want to, I've I've gone, I've kind of gone on a tangent, but if you are someone out there that does want to start connecting with brands, like let's say any of my any of my my mamas that are listening, um then definitely just start just share show what you use and be a real person. But going forward, that's that's that's my advice. Connect yourself with brands. And you spoke about a couple brands that you enjoyed, like Under Armour, I think was one of them. Yeah, anything you have that is just and it doesn't even have to only be Under Armour, you just whatever they so make that social media presence known, let them know who you are because now it's time for them to know. Yeah, of course. Do you know what I'm saying? Any any last any last speech you want to leave us with? Anything?

SPEAKER_03:

Uh stay extra so you don't have to get extra.

SPEAKER_00:

Stay extra so you don't have to get extra. Um and yeah, this is a so flipping extra podcast. Like I said, I feel like this is this is the start of something, it's the start of something new, it's the start of a new era for us, the start of a new time as a family. Like, honestly, the whole family is so proud of you, Kay. Like, I hope you actually understand that. I think you know that though, anyway. So proud. The conversations that are had in the rooms that you're not in are just amazing. The things that people are saying about you, and not just family, my friends, like some of them have said it to you, but just even to me, like the things that they say, how proud they are. Um, they've seen you grow up, they've seen you from God. I think I got I first got Instagram before Callie. Do you remember? We were at Nana's house once, and I was taking pictures, and I've heard those are some of my first Instagram pictures. So you must have been maybe five, six, and a lot of people have seen you grow up from this little boy, they've seen you when you were a track star, and now you're a basketball star about to be making some massive moves in the States, and we're all so proud of you, babe. Seriously, so yeah, um, and yeah, peace out, A Town Down. West side is the best side. Do I believe in it?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

They're not keep saying yes, and I guess I'm just gonna go with yeah. Um, but most of the time I'm not sure, but what I do know is that wherever I'm at the vibe's at right now, the vibe is here on this multiple court, the vibe is here with Caden. The big M. Come on, who's M? Mitchell Rook. Big up Mitchell Rook. The vibe is all about the vibe is high right now because we're just all summer exciting for my son, my son, my baby. Caden Little Kingdom. I was I was DJ. Let me double number with a little mini, the little number of me, I'm gonna need a little bit.